All New Edge Revealed - The Territory's Replacement

[Vesper Martini]

Passed a new Pathfinder today, IMO it would tick most of the boxes for a Territory owner.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

No apart from 7 seat option they will be a very different vehicle.

I recon Everest will struggle with too many similar competitors.
Prado, Pajero, Challenger, MUX & Colorado 7

SUV category where territory competes is not less competitive - kluger , pathfinder , Santa Fe , sorrento , tribeca , cx9 , captiva - just to mention a few...
Separate chassis offroad capable Everest should do well - diesel power and sturdy construction.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Thats a loose definition of fun! These cars are purely transport.

Well it's all relative isn't it? It will be very fun compared to the 3.5L V6. It will be boring as hell compared to a GT500. But if your wife was going to make you get one of these things, you better tick the 2.7L option.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

SUV category where territory competes is not less competitive - kluger , pathfinder , Santa Fe , sorrento , tribeca , cx9 , captiva - just to mention a few...
Separate chassis offroad capable Everest should do well - diesel power and sturdy construction.

Yes agreed but that SUV category have quite a few differences and specs to choose from.

The Separate chassis offroad capable IMO are all pretty similar, Kakadu offers a little more but has a healthy price tag to match

[Dmarc]

Why aren't we getting Explorer in Oz? Seems a better replacement for Territory. I need the extra room up back.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Passed a new Pathfinder today, IMO it would tick most of the boxes for a Territory owner.

I would never own a car that uses CVT.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I would never own a car that uses CVT.

Didn't realise that they had that, I've never driven a car with CVT but I hear it feels weird, like a constant slipping clutch

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Dmarc

Why aren't we getting Explorer in Oz? Seems a better replacement for Territory. I need the extra room up back.

Not built in rhd, no diesel and no intention of selling it around the world in numbers to justify this atm.

[Dr Smith]

very quick calculations,

SZ / Edge (mm)
Front head room 1074 / 1021
Front leg room 1122 / 1080
Front shoulder room 1548 / 1530
Front hip room 1525 / 1420
2nd row leg room 1015 / 1031
2nd row head room 1006 / 1023

volume behind 2nd row/rear seat: 1153L / 1110L

back seat hip room isn't listed on Ford's site but if it's the same as front hip room this is where the Territory is a much better by over 100mm.

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I've never driven a car with CVT but I hear it feels weird, like a constant slipping clutch

I've driven a few now. Haven't experienced one I liked yet.

[Dr Smith]

In our case, where a car like Edge, with only slightly smaller interior than our SZ, won't make a huge difference to us. It's the dynamic brilliance of the SZ I would miss if the Edge isn't as good. For those that find the Territory boot doesn't have the length of the Falcon wagons the Everest will cover this and also provide serious off road ability. Ford might not sell as many Edge's as Terry's but between Edge and Everest combined will increase their total sales obviously and judging by the success of Ranger, when Ford's local team has a go with a world-sized budget they product world class vehicles.

[Dmarc]

Check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2rm1eiiDdg
Hope it works. First time I've tried this.

[Dr Smith]

Found this from your link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Ox...pp37dPsb1LaI4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoV2...pp37dPsb1LaI4w

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

In our case, where a car like Edge, with only slightly smaller interior than our SZ, won't make a huge difference to us. It's the dynamic brilliance of the SZ I would miss if the Edge isn't as good. For those that find the Territory boot doesn't have the length of the Falcon wagons the Everest will cover this and also provide serious off road ability. Ford might not sell as many Edge's as Terry's but between Edge and Everest combined will increase their total sales obviously and judging by the success of Ranger, when Ford's local team has a go with a world-sized budget they product world class vehicles.

I agree in effect they are branching out, but Im still concerned that a family needing a 7 seater has to go to Everest.

As Everest will be developed to be more capable off-road then that requires more $$ which means higher RRP. The beauty of the Tez is that most family just require the occasional "off road" experience...Everest will be overkill and the Edge wont cut it either.

Point in case is the Ranger...pretty sure its just about the most expensive in its class. Sure its a quality vehicle but it makes the sales pitch that much harder.

Can you imagine the sales the Cherokee would have if it had a 7 seat option? It would smash the Tez and the Kluger..and hurt the Prado aswell.

Its depressing driving past a GMH dealership and seeing the Craptiva 7 at sub $30k. Sure its not flash..but for most families it does the A-B stuff.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Can you imagine the sales the Cherokee would have if it had a 7 seat option? It would smash the Tez and the Kluger..and hurt the Prado aswell.

It's coming. It will be called the Grand Wagoneer.

[Hawkeye84]

Originally Posted by chevypower

It's coming. It will be called the Grand Wagoneer.

If this makes its way to Australia, like Polyal said, it will smash it out of the park!

To me, in terms of size and market, the Edge is very much like the CX7.
Theres a reason why Mazda stopped making them over the CX5 and the CX9.

In saying that, Jeep have done very well even though its a 5 seater only option, so who knows. If the pricing is right and the Edge proves itself to be a good value product, it might do well.

I still think leaving the 7 seater option for the Everest only will leave quite a big hole in the product line up

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye84

If this makes its way to Australia, like Polyal said, it will smash it out of the park!

To me, in terms of size and market, the Edge is very much like the CX7.
Theres a reason why Mazda stopped making them over the CX5 and the CX9.

In saying that, Jeep have done very well even though its a 5 seater only option, so who knows. If the pricing is right and the Edge proves itself to be a good value product, it might do well.

I still think leaving the 7 seater option for the Everest only will leave quite a big hole in the product line up

Normally I am not even the slightest bit interested in SUVs that don't have a true 4x4 system, so I would be more inclined to go for the Grand Cherokee or Grand Wagoneer with the 3.0 CRD. However, that Edge Sport 2.7 EcoBoost looks extremely appealing in it's own right to me. I am betting 0-100 in 6 seconds or slightly under and sporty handling and good comfort all around. It would need to be priced significantly enough under the Jeep to make me consider buying it, but if there is a $5k+ saving, it would probably be enough. Though I am also interested in a 7 seater as we want to have kids so Grand Wagoneer or hopefully Dodge will fit that 3.0 CRD in the Durango, which is basically the same thing as the Jeep, just sportier and without the off-road systems - so a little bit cheaper I think. I am not sure why the Durango isn't a global product yet. It's the same platform. When you inspect it inside and out, you see a lot of similarities with the Grand Cherokee.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

In our case, where a car like Edge, with only slightly smaller interior than our SZ, won't make a huge difference to us. It's the dynamic brilliance of the SZ I would miss if the Edge isn't as good. For those that find the Territory boot doesn't have the length of the Falcon wagons the Everest will cover this and also provide serious off road ability. Ford might not sell as many Edge's as Terry's but between Edge and Everest combined will increase their total sales obviously and judging by the success of Ranger, when Ford's local team has a go with a world-sized budget they product world class vehicles.

Territory cargo area is slightly shorter than the wagon, but slightly wider and useable height is greater IMO.

No doubt the Edge will be a great drive (its a Ford!) but like you said it has big shoes to fill in terms of the driving dynamics, which is why the Tez is as close to a 'drivers car' in an SUV as you can get. For a reasonable price anyway.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Territory cargo area is slightly shorter than the wagon, but slightly wider and useable height is greater IMO.

No doubt the Edge will be a great drive (its a Ford!) but like you said it has big shoes to fill in terms of the driving dynamics, which is why the Tez is as close to a 'drivers car' in an SUV as you can get. For a reasonable price anyway.

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

It’s too edgy for me.

You're right, we went from BA wagon to Terry and depth was shorter so things like stroller had to go across rather then down along side window. I finally had a real quick spin in new X5, gadgets great! mid spec tdi so really nice with 8 speed auto, but couldn't help but think SZ drove as well. I could buy a new Terry, build a fantastic full-on flight static simulator in my study (I'm an aviation nut) and still have one years private school fees available, lol.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Front looks like Kluger, back looks like ASX. Too short in the reader to make it a decent 7 seated. Needs that extra 100 mm and a diesel + 7 seat option to be a true replacement.

[Bossxr8]

China is getting a 3rd row 7 seater version, but I doubt we would see it here.

[Smoke Pursuit]

People go on about Kluger and pathfinder but neither are diesel...

[outback_ute]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

very quick calculations,

SZ / Edge (mm)
Front head room 1074 / 1021
Front leg room 1122 / 1080
Front shoulder room 1548 / 1530
Front hip room 1525 / 1420
2nd row leg room 1015 / 1031
2nd row head room 1006 / 1023

volume behind 2nd row/rear seat: 1153L / 1110L

back seat hip room isn't listed on Ford's site but if it's the same as front hip room this is where the Territory is a much better by over 100mm.

An interesting figure is the boot space of the Edge is 1112L versus the Territory at 1153L behind the second row. How that translates into a space is another question - will the floor length be as close for example? It is hard to see how looking at the photos. Incidentally the Edge's seats folded down figure is 2082L, I'm not sure how the Territory compares.

It is disappointing there won't be a 7-seater version, maybe this would happen with the next gen Explorer? Maybe they are saving the Territory name for that, seeing as the Explorer name is a bit tarnished in Australia.

[KAM120]

The interior is just meh to me. The outside looks alright, but....

It's not a car i would buy

[GTP534]

We've just updated and traded our 2009 Terri Ghia on a Titanium Diesel.

The 7-seat feature is really important to us; we're 5 in the family but sometimes if the girls bring a friend along or we take my parents with us the extra 2 seats in the rear are fantastic.

They may be "auxiliary" seats but they work a treat as the girls are young (small) and my wife is a small build, so no problems there.

Terri is a fantastic driving and riding vehicle; the 2009 model was great but this is definitely a step up, seems a more refined car on the inside.

It'll do us for the next 5 years!

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

China is getting a 3rd row 7 seater version, but I doubt we would see it here.

Logic and One Ford Fail.

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by GTP534

We've just updated and traded our 2009 Terri Ghia on a Titanium Diesel.

The 7-seat feature is really important to us; we're 5 in the family but sometimes if the girls bring a friend along or we take my parents with us the extra 2 seats in the rear are fantastic.

They may be "auxiliary" seats but they work a treat as the girls are young (small) and my wife is a small build, so no problems there.

Terri is a fantastic driving and riding vehicle; the 2009 model was great but this is definitely a step up, seems a more refined car on the inside.

It'll do us for the next 5 years!

You find the new Terri diesel a big step up?

We had great service out of our 2007 AWD Ghia to the tune of over 150,000 trouble free kilometres, and I would go Territory again, but other half feels they are a bit too big for them sometimes, thus the slightly smaller class leading (they have already sold more than 10,000 of them in Australia this year) Mazda CX5 looks a little more likely to get the nod. If Edge was out now it would get a very close look in too as it looks okay, a good middle ground between CX5 and Territory in regards to size.

Personally, I would go Territory again as I like the handling on our roads, would be Territory in a heartbeat with FG Spec turbo engine (which is so much better than we saw in earlier Turbo Territory in regards to everything including economy).

How are you finding the diesel?

Did you drive the updated 4.0 too?

[GTP534]

Hi Trev,

We were very happy with our AWD Ghia; pretty much trouble free over the almost 5 years we had it. Two warranty items were picked up by the dealer and I changed the front discs and pads last year.

I only took an AWD diesel for a drive as I prefer the AWD; I "feel" AWD is more safe when driving in heavy rain and on slippery roads. It's not as nippy off the mark but I like the torque when accelerating on to the motorway.

We've only had the new one for a week or so but it rides and handles as good as the old girl and feels more tight, probably more so from the newness. The diesel is very quiet and the steering, being electrically assisted is much quieter. My old one always seemed to have a noisy pump!

The interior is a step up and the wife reckons it seems bigger inside which is because of the new dash. The seats have a different leather facing which I think will not crease as easily as the old car.

The ABS also seems differently calibrated in this one; a couple of annoying little graunches don't seem to afflict the new one.

We loved the old Ghia and we love the new one; they're a pretty basic motor vehicle but for an essentially 10 year old platform I think it's amazing what Ford Australia have achieved.

I believe the last model will not be much changed externally over the SZ but will have a few more tech features inside.

All I really wanted was keyless entry and start but the deal was pretty good on this one (big bonus from Ford plus 3 years free scheduled servicing) seeing it was the end-of-financial-year so I took the plunge.

[mcnews]

Yep your thoughts on the ABS will also carry through to the traction control system too I think as the new generation of this kit I think first made it to the new Territory before it made it to FG MK II Falcon, and it is not one step forward, but a few steps forward to latest generation stuff. Big improvement.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

People go on about Kluger and pathfinder but neither are diesel...

That could be because they are targeted towards to US market. where the diesel equation doesn't stack up.
I'm not really sure it does here either, perhaps for someone doing high mileage like yourself or for towing. but otherwise I think they sell on peoples perception.

I'm guessing here but the cost for Ford Australia to develop and produce the diesel Territory. did not meet the rewards.

and IMO that's why Toyota and Nissan wont bother to develop them.